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Storie Vere [Real Stories] (Rai 1) 27/2/2012 Savino Zaba e Georgia Luzi
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a court case of which we have discussed a few months ago
came to visit a mother a mother desperate
who asked that her son might return to Italy
because Charles was accused a few years ago
by his ex-girlfriend of American violence and rape
was arrested
has served his sentence and is here today to tell his story
Parlanti
Hello welcome Charles
good morning
We felt we were then only through a phone call via Skype I remember
I do not know if you remember our audience has attended all our bets
we had connected he was in jail in america
As you came from Charles?
February 15
then a few days right?
very few one week
In short we want to try to tell your story to understand also what has happened
where is here? Here we are in prison in the U.S.?
This is a typical American prison, the prison is not exactly where I was hosted
are structures called 270 for the type of visibility
As you can see the sheds are concrete
on three sides with the see here in the right side two floors of cells in this case
the so-called no arms?
the arms are
in such a shed in the prison cell where I lived there instead of open niches
with triple bunk beds and occupancy of about 370 380 people per house
you how long were you in prison?
I have been in prison seven years and a half in a year in Germany about a year in a county jail in Ventura County
6 months in a distribution center where it is evaluated for dangerousness, and then finally 5 years inside the prison of Avenal
finally quotes
but we want to try to retrace your story?
some
then everything happens exactly nine years ago when you decide to relocate in the U.S.
96 in a large American company that was trying to change the system of finance contacted me
I lived in Milan and I was just specializing in enterprise management systems
Contact me and asked me to help them to move in the U.S. and help them implement a new finance system
I moved in the United States worked with this company for about 6 years 5 years about 5 years and in 2002 decided to return to Europe
In practice I had the opportunity to break my career as a manager of other companies and to open up my own business
get in their own
start my own business along with three colleagues, moreover, who came from all over the world
we opened a hotel reservation companies on the internet
Charles at some point in all these moves I say call them short, then you're back in america europe
Your life changes that this change comes because you without you knowing anything about you is that you be delivered
any type of information communication at some point you come un'areoporto arrested
is in post I was flying from dublin to dusseldorf to buy a company
and during the customs control, I was asked to move away from the ranks of customs control and have been arrested
I discovered at that time
that were sought
that there was a red alert
even a red alert
even a red alert
characterized by a red flag to me armed and dangerous
because there was a complaint at your expense, your ex-American Rebecca White you denounced for crimes of domestic violence, rape and kidnapping
so exact in practice two years before my arrest my ex-partner I had reported to the police for these crimes
a girl who had just met when you lived in the U.S.
exact
She says her short stories have you have you out of the house then when she was about to leave
you would have stopped short, then raped and beaten in broad terms why we say what she says?
you would have stopped short, then raped and beaten in broad terms why we say what she says?
is the addition of four liters of wine drunk to say give me strength and courage in the attack or something
after which it's pretty unbelievable short everything that happened after
in the sense that you come then accused of these crimes on the basis of evidence then
together with the lawyer who now try to understand what they were objective or not objective
to you at some point, however, Charles I tell you the thing I was left a little short, so you are made a proposal to negotiate
not one of three proposals to negotiate
here
in practice after my extradition to the United States have been held for seven months in the county jail
while the police began to really investigate and acquire the evidence
after the acquisition of evidence instead of going directly to the process have been approached 3 times in 3 different moments
In practice I have always offered to plead guilty to the rape not only boss for the kidnapping and violence
and I would be sentenced to 3 years with a 50% penalty
in practice as I had already served 11 months in prison in Germany first extradition
and 7 months in county jail were giving me a ticket to return to Italy
but you say no
I have asked the judge to make an exception to the rules please and let me talk to my mother
you have known in transmission and with my girlfriend of the time
I humbly asked these women if they would support me because otherwise I would not be able to survive or to fight
and what did they say?
and they told me they were always on my side and I said no to the court not accept the plea bargain
because you said being innocent I'll never go to say that I am guilty if I did not do anything to make me whole cost of the condemnation
no I'm not a rapist and I'm not going to confess to a crime like this even if I will ensure the immediate release
Well in short, is a courageous gesture Carlo because you had the chance to be out
there is a there is a very important thing that we need to understand the American criminal justice system
here there are two important elements
exact
Meanwhile, in testimony in the deposition Rebecca has often contradicted several times but was never considered this contradiction
directly committed perjury more than a dozen times and was caught in the act but was never taken into account
and there's another thing that strikes me she was considered a victim of crime
and in the U.S. victims of crime have a series of benefits
Surely this is a good thing normally
exists especially in california an organism that is responsible for helping victims of crime
actually there are two types there is an emergency for which the victim of a crime can get help for small practical problems
because when you are the victim of a crime you may have lost their jobs have lost their homes may need cash
and then there is a longer-term support which can lead to a retirement
I see that thing I said before because in fact already in our country makes it difficult to take responsibility
too short for things like these do not
it always gives the blame to someone else and so short that you have made a choice like this
when you could be sent home because you could go home certainly is a strong choice
you will know that in the meantime here in Italy has created a movement imagine that you have been informed of this
I honestly am
for your deliverance
some
I honestly am telling everyone that I understand that is a strong choice, however I will not pass for a hero
no no certain
I think there's a moment when each of us must say to yourself I have principles and I'm not this covenant
some
At that moment I've reached that point
some
Perhaps you think that I was afraid of the future
I was afraid of a future in which I lived with the shame that I said a rapist
some
I preferred not to
Katia hello you're his ex-girlfriend?
hello I'm his ex-girlfriend
what you have received the news of Carlo's still ok, it looked back in some way for you?
So the moment I learned of the arrest sincerely
plus I've heard from a colleague who spoke English completely
I then knew almost no English was so scared I did not understand
what was your reaction?
My reaction was to say at once that person please send me an email let me understand what is happening
I knew the evening my reaction was I was on holiday in Salento plus
My reaction was not sleeping through the night trying to figure out what was happening and was not
were incredulous knew very well that Charles would not or could do such a thing?
well I've known him for twenty years Charles
before his experience in the U.S. by 96 we lived together 3 years
when he returned
in the American period, however, we were great friends and still have someone declared his girlfriend is always at the bottom so
and then after his return to Europe we started to live together until his arrest
Carlo then I know very well where it can get what and where it can not reach
but apart from that which is not the initial dismay, Charles, violence, rape someone, but there
The first thing I did, because once the day after I went to germany, I read the indictment
I've got written on the act of accusation I play on the act an act of accusation
why?
because it really does not stand
because no matter who is full of contradictions is a so much alleged violence to which he could not be alive first of all
and the woman who has suffered this violence would have even less could be alive
lawyer, I'm sorry I do not know what to call it a mistake judiciary?
lawyer, I'm sorry I do not know what to call it a mistake judiciary?
psychiatrist is not a lawyer and then
I'm sorry sorry sorry
psychiatrist and criminologist
Dr. Mastronardi sorry judiciary is an error?
then there has been an imprudence imprudent in a very clear indeed that appears as an injury that has affected everyone and everything
I'll explain
it is
the process is the usual Italian conqueror
We Italians we are put in graves so at this point all that was done was concocted was harmonized by Rebecca White I have spoken in this book
me to this book please?
that tells me that this is a judgment on the stereotype?
it is a judgment that has influenced
it is a judgment that has influenced
Italians are Don Giovanni men who have a relationship with women ...
Don Giovanni men who have a relationship with women extremely violent
able to have a relationship that is extremely violent process by
so at this point everything has been built to usum by Rebecca White, who deftly
I did not say so because of problems with the foreign ministry there many times we are put at a table with the office of Italians abroad
and we explained that we were really built from scratch with prejudice allegations extremely critical not only
Charles Charles is true is true that Rebecca has also written the email you when you left it when you ask her to leave to leave your house where you threatened is on record?
wrote and threatened around the world
wrote and threatened me with my colleagues
I'll kill the Mafia?
you things like that are armed
wrote to you and your friends?
She certainly has threatened my relationship
wrote to me that the fact that he would put in place because it had friends in the mafia and they are all
wrote to me that the fact that he would put in place because it had friends in the mafia and they are all
better clarify
and are all emails that are been taken to process
I would like to clarify a few things before you spoke to Rebecca White girl have called attention
no yes I saw the picture
Rebecca White was a person that was at least six years older than Charles
Well in an adult woman
was a woman who had already had a failed marriage behind him with accusations of violence against her husband's
her to her husband?
She is
She is
was no previous track record that was identical similar things in his serial
excuse me hours since missing a few seconds what you are going to do okay Carlo while you make up for a life in some way you think about your future
three actions
but first I wanted to know that you intend to take legal action
a lawyer with the UN against the Pharaohs which is already ready to go just right for the Defence of Human Rights
because we found that the extradition was impossible to go to realize very clearly lacked the elements of Article 5 of the Human Rights
Second trial for slander simultaneously activate a process, not only in Italy but also in the USA
where as patently false certificates that were made were done in 3 states oregon then ohio and california
The grand jury is then activated to initiate an action of this kind
these are the actions we have to depart in petto
actions
Carlo
this is oklahoma virginia and california
Virginia and California are
Virginia and California are
Charles I feel close to you now?
and now I do not know they are still very concentrated in exploiting this moment to say that against me are false certificates were used
is the most important thing
Not only were used to issue the international arrest warrant but were hidden because patently false
the first thing I need is that people read books and see for yourself these false certifications
this here is a note written books also note from Dr. Mastronardi The Case Speakers
there also exists a second called Timeline of Crimes Doctors, the book is a great description
so before Justice Charles then think also make up for a life hopefully with the affection of your friends and others around you
we hope
because we have to close the bet because we are already beyond the time
thank you thank you all tomorrow
come back tomorrow at ten o'clock we no longer have time unfortunately
thank you excuse us
